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	<title>Comments on: Is Michael Ignatieff The Next Pierre Trudeau Or The Next Adlai Stevenson?</title>
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		<title>By: Travis Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got me thinking about Trudeau, a man that I do not admire. While Canada, in terms of social justice became progressive the structure of government, something few understand and thus almost no one talks about, became burdensome, impractical, and frankly too big for our tiny population. The end result is the largest per-capita government in the world! There is a reason why we are both the most resource rich nation in the world but relatively poor compared to Americans, Germans and the French - our 1:11 ratio of general population to those on government payroll (direct or indirect). When did this giant swelling occur - Trudeaumania. The social revolution that Trudeau is given so much credit for would have happened with or without him - it was a phenomena of the Zeitgeist and did not need him at all. Year later this has worn off.  so now that Gays can marry, the government is fixing treat violations with natives and abortions and birth control abound (all of which I am 100% for) what is there to being a liberal?  Well the answer to this used to be in the Cretian government when Paul Martin was pulling the financial strings and getting Canada down to business.  When Mr. Martin (now seldom if ever mentioned) had to get out of the way of the storm he created for himself the liberals have lost the financial genius that kept the Cretian government going strong. YOu see it is and always will  be about the money.  In the last 30 or so years the liberals had both social and monetary platforms to run on. With the social issues they once stood for now held up in force in our courts there are no conservatives to demonize and say that those rights will be taken away - they can&#039;t. Courts strike down legislation remember! So now it comes back to money and the conservatives have been since the Cretian years been plotting along these lines all the while the Liberals have been eating up environment and other &quot;issues&quot; that they are willing to back irrespective of the cost. Canadians now this and will not vote liberal because of it. Every plan that the liberals have tabled calls for an increase in the size and therefore expense if government. As a nation we are too tapped out to let that happen. So we won&#039;t. Until the liberals are able to put meaningful cash in the pockets of Canadians coast to coast they will be lost and living on Trudeau mania, or worse yet trying to place the crown of rock-star politics on the head of his pudgy and smug oligarchical heir. So desperate are the liberals for their old glory days they are stupid enough to push guys like Ignatieff to live in them and he is pushing back, all the while the tension is killing it for them. I for one, despite the fact that I dislike socialism in a Canadian context, may just vote NDP just to train wreck the de-facto bipartisanism we have had since 1867.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got me thinking about Trudeau, a man that I do not admire. While Canada, in terms of social justice became progressive the structure of government, something few understand and thus almost no one talks about, became burdensome, impractical, and frankly too big for our tiny population. The end result is the largest per-capita government in the world! There is a reason why we are both the most resource rich nation in the world but relatively poor compared to Americans, Germans and the French &#8211; our 1:11 ratio of general population to those on government payroll (direct or indirect). When did this giant swelling occur &#8211; Trudeaumania. The social revolution that Trudeau is given so much credit for would have happened with or without him &#8211; it was a phenomena of the Zeitgeist and did not need him at all. Year later this has worn off.  so now that Gays can marry, the government is fixing treat violations with natives and abortions and birth control abound (all of which I am 100% for) what is there to being a liberal?  Well the answer to this used to be in the Cretian government when Paul Martin was pulling the financial strings and getting Canada down to business.  When Mr. Martin (now seldom if ever mentioned) had to get out of the way of the storm he created for himself the liberals have lost the financial genius that kept the Cretian government going strong. YOu see it is and always will  be about the money.  In the last 30 or so years the liberals had both social and monetary platforms to run on. With the social issues they once stood for now held up in force in our courts there are no conservatives to demonize and say that those rights will be taken away &#8211; they can&#8217;t. Courts strike down legislation remember! So now it comes back to money and the conservatives have been since the Cretian years been plotting along these lines all the while the Liberals have been eating up environment and other &#8220;issues&#8221; that they are willing to back irrespective of the cost. Canadians now this and will not vote liberal because of it. Every plan that the liberals have tabled calls for an increase in the size and therefore expense if government. As a nation we are too tapped out to let that happen. So we won&#8217;t. Until the liberals are able to put meaningful cash in the pockets of Canadians coast to coast they will be lost and living on Trudeau mania, or worse yet trying to place the crown of rock-star politics on the head of his pudgy and smug oligarchical heir. So desperate are the liberals for their old glory days they are stupid enough to push guys like Ignatieff to live in them and he is pushing back, all the while the tension is killing it for them. I for one, despite the fact that I dislike socialism in a Canadian context, may just vote NDP just to train wreck the de-facto bipartisanism we have had since 1867.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thing is, grassroots Liberals really didn&#039;t choose Mr. Ignatieff. There was no race.  After Chretien, Liberals have been in a tailspin, led by the Martin mantra that Chretien was a loser and Manley a potatoe head.  That&#039;s all they had to offer.  Criticism.  Even after Chretien won three consecutive majority governments and Martin barely pulled off a minority the Martin camp still insisted they knew best and still &quot;influence&quot; party practices.   I don&#039;t remember, did Martin even accomplish a minority?  Didn&#039;t he announce his resignation the night he lost big.  Loser.  The Liberals need to rebuild, 100%.  Whether Mr. Donolo can help or not, only time, very little time, will tell.  What pisses me off the most is that government&#039;s can get away with murder when there is a weak opposition and Liberals are that, in spades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, grassroots Liberals really didn&#8217;t choose Mr. Ignatieff. There was no race.  After Chretien, Liberals have been in a tailspin, led by the Martin mantra that Chretien was a loser and Manley a potatoe head.  That&#8217;s all they had to offer.  Criticism.  Even after Chretien won three consecutive majority governments and Martin barely pulled off a minority the Martin camp still insisted they knew best and still &#8220;influence&#8221; party practices.   I don&#8217;t remember, did Martin even accomplish a minority?  Didn&#8217;t he announce his resignation the night he lost big.  Loser.  The Liberals need to rebuild, 100%.  Whether Mr. Donolo can help or not, only time, very little time, will tell.  What pisses me off the most is that government&#8217;s can get away with murder when there is a weak opposition and Liberals are that, in spades.</p>
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